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Zahr Dalsk · Nov 19, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by Longasc

It would destroy low-hp farming builds like the 55 HP monk

Which is exactly why it shouldn't be implemented, and exactly why Protective Spirit has remained isolated from Izzy's wrath.

placebo overdose · Nov 19, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

you cannot ask people to defend there opinions on this idea because it is utter crap and it goes with out saying this is a bad idea
end note dont fix that which is not boken

Winterclaw · Nov 20, 2007, 01:47 AM // 01:47

A better idea is to put a limit on the -HP instead. Say have no more than -15 health from all rune sources after the first one. Another thing to do would be to make -HP offhands non-stacking with the -hp from runes.

Arkantos · Nov 20, 2007, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

A better idea is to put a limit on the -HP instead. Say have no more than -15 health from all rune sources after the first one. Another thing to do would be to make -HP offhands non-stacking with the -hp from runes.

Farming is pretty much dead. Having these 55 monks running around causes no harm. Whats the point of nerfing them?

Onarik Amrak · Nov 20, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

I suppose it'd kill 55s. But won't it break game balance at the same time?

jrk247 · Nov 20, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Longasc

Yes, you bothered to post, now you have to make a point.

Ok then. It would destroy the purpose of having different types of runes, might as well give everyone the same stats from the beginning. Pointless to change major game mechanics in a game well over 2 years old.

Maybe discuss this in the GW2 suggestion thread where it obviously belongs.

Snow Bunny · Nov 20, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by Longasc

Terribad suggestion regarding runes

Lol, wut? This suggestion is so bad. Lets make things easier, amirite?. Goddamn carebear

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Originally Posted by Longasc

Unban Soticoto. He does not deserve a permaban

I think this explains how much merit we ought to give your suggestion.

/notsigned

Winterclaw · Nov 20, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Farming is pretty much dead. Having these 55 monks running around causes no harm. Whats the point of nerfing them?

Rebalancing PvE is like rebalacing PvP, it shakes things up.

Kanyatta · Nov 20, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

I assure you that superior runes are used in PvP.

only in very very rare cases, i can only think of 2 off the top of my head

Paraway (Sup spear)
BSpike (sup blood)

if they nerfed the 55 monk, they could remove loot scaling and such, and the price of ebay gold would go up, making it less desirable to the community, as long as it doesnt affect pvp, i'd /sign it, but if it did, i'd have to /notsign it

Arkantos · Nov 20, 2007, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Rebalancing PvE is like rebalacing PvP, it shakes things up.

What exactly is this going to "shake up" in PvE? Low hp builds get nerfed, people get mad, people QQ on the fansites, people bash ANet, people ragequit GW. Farming goes from shit to shittier, and then everyone moves on. Yes, this is really shaking up the PvE scene.

Faer · Nov 20, 2007, 02:32 AM // 02:32

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Originally Posted by Longasc

* It would destroy low-hp farming builds like the 55 HP monk

As if anyone would care. I really don't see why people constantly feel the need to have changes implemented to mess with the farmers anyway.

Anyway, I love this idea. I'm all for any change that would make pumping weapon mastery up to 16 (or a magic line to 16) without losing any of my amazing 650+ health so that gimmicky spikes are easier to pull off, because that's all the Guru mods know how to play (and all we ever do is PvP, naturally).

Winterclaw · Nov 20, 2007, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

What exactly is this going to "shake up" in PvE?

You never know unless anet tries it out for a week or two.

Savio · Nov 20, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

I'm impressed. I thought Sardelac ideas couldn't get any worse.

Winterclaw · Nov 20, 2007, 03:42 AM // 03:42

They can always get worse.

Jwh6913 · Nov 20, 2007, 04:00 AM // 04:00

if you REALLY wanted to nerf 55 monks, just take away the collector items with -50 health

problem solved and no messing around with sup runes needed

Arkantos · Nov 20, 2007, 04:00 AM // 04:00

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

You never know unless anet tries it out for a week or two.

But we do know. ANet does this, people will bitch and complain until it's changed back. That's a fact

Savio · Nov 20, 2007, 04:08 AM // 04:08

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Originally Posted by Jwh6913

if you REALLY wanted to nerf 55 monks, just take away the collector items with -50 health

problem solved and no messing around with sup runes needed

105 farming existed before 55 farming.

Winterclaw · Nov 20, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

But we do know. ANet does this, people will bitch and complain until it's changed back. That's a fact

People will bitch about everything, even if it's good for the game overall.

Red Sonya · Nov 20, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

I kinda agree with this idea. No more than 1 superior rune of profession (except for superior vigor) is a great idea and kill the 55 anything builds. I've always thought the 55 monk wasn't really an rpg type of character and more of a gamey build. It's one of those Flavor or the GW lifetime builds that just needs to be put to bed now and man would that kill all those monk bots we see in various places. I'd laugh.

Longasc · Nov 20, 2007, 07:16 AM // 07:16

Right how, the difference between 14 and 16 in an attribute is considered "not worthwhile to sacrifice 75 HP for". The usual PvP experts here told me. Two superior runes makes one suspicious of suicidal tendencies. So much about variety. It sounds similar to the "variety" of inscriptions on weapons, where 15^50 or +5 energy are being used over the ton of others.

What balance would be destroyed if everyone would have ONE superior rune? PvP, PvE? It would add to the power creep, but that was it.
Including/excluding Superior Vigor would also make things quite different.

Critical hits would go up with higher weapon mastery, but healing would also improve and would allow a 15/11/11 attribute spread on monks.

That 55 HP farming would be gone would be a side effect. People could still use other farming builds, "600 HP" being the most obvious alternative. Or farming with another class.

Seems I have hit a nerve with this suggestion, people quitting because they can no longer 55 HP farm or the final nail to the coffin of GW PvP sounds quite dramatic. Of course there is no immediate need to change this now, hence the GW2 tag. It is just food for thought, not food for rants like that:

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Lol, wut? This suggestion is so bad. Lets make things easier, amirite?. Goddamn carebear

And this makes me a "goddamn carebear"? Especially as I suggested nerfing a certain "bear" in GW. Still do not get it that mods permit such rabid schoolyard rants.